Yeah i am stoked on all the feedback this thread has received. I have learned a bunch and now have a few new experiences to look forward to.
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Yeah i am stoked on all the feedback this thread has received. I have learned a bunch and now have a few new experiences to look forward to.
agreed dubsteppin. i really appreciate informational threads like this because you really get to learn about new things before you even think about learning them. you don't even have to look for the information because we have great sources here on fmb.
I respect your decision to not use any drugs except cannabis, but you should not imply that people who do other drugs are "morons". Do you ever take pharmaceuticals when sick? They are drugs that have side effects. I too limit the number of drugs that I do, but I would highly recommend the natural stuff like mescaline, dmt, mushrooms and cannabis.
I dont think anyone was implying that people who use drugs are morons, did they?
DUBSteppin, you describe needing 3 hits of DMT.
I dont know the strength of the stuff I have. But I put about 0.05 grams in a bowl, and before I fully exhale......Im gone! Time stops and dreams begin!
I was so out of my body, that when I came back it was an absolute amazement to me that I had arms.............arms......real arms.....attached to me.......WOW......what a concept.
DMT.....powerfull stuff
Well i was told that after 3 hits you are completely gone, i only ever took 2 because of how my friends reacted to 3 hits, it wasn't bad or anything just seemed pretty intense.
I also realize that a "hit" is a pretty variable measure and is not very close to accurate because everyone hits a tube/pipe differently.
I didn't have the same sensation with the arms but I do know sort of what you're talking about, i came out and was very grateful to be who i am, it felt nice.
How long you hold the hit in is also a major contributing factor.
so what again was dmt exactly superfluous. i think you've said it before, but just one more time if you could explain. and how do you extract dmt? i'm new to this. sorry!
glitch
There are actually several different kinds of DMT but the one we've been talking about is N,N Dimethyltryptamine and it's most commonly extracted from the root bark of a plant called Mimosa Hostillis. Ayahuasca brews will contain one plant or vine which contains DMT and another which contains an MAOI (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor) to activate it. Shamans may include several other entheogenic plants to guide the overall experience but the two main ingredients are usually the Banisteriopsis Caapi vine and Psychotria Viridis leaves.
There's also-
5, Methoxy Dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) another psychedelic relative which is found in the glands of the Colorado River toad (Bufo Alvirus)
Bufotenin (5-HO-DMT) also found in certain plant and toad species
Psilocybin - one of the two identified active chemicals in psilocybe mushrooms. It converts in the bloodstream very quickly through hydrolysis into the more active psilocin.
Psilocin (4-HO-DMT) the chemical that is actually responsible for mushroom trips
4-Acetoxy-Dimethyltryptamine (4-AcO-DMT) is a synthetic analogue which also theoretically metabolizes into psilocin in the bloodstream the same as psilocybin. It's one of the few really great research chemicals and it's remarkably similar to a mushroom trip though cleaner and with less bodily discomfort. One of my absolute favorites.
Anyway that's it for relatives off the top of my head. 4-AcO-MiPT and 4-ho-MiPT are also pretty close to mushroom trips but they're not so closely related to dimethyltryptamine.
As far as doing an extraction you should really spend some time researching that for yourself. Pour over the material again and again because you'll always been learning something new and advancing your techniques.
DMT-Nexus.com is an amazing resource and community that has the most information on extractions out there.
A most simplest outline of the lazyman's tek would be to to start with some plant material like MHRB that contains a good bit of that wonderful alkaloid. You pulverize it if its not already powdered and then mix it in a solution of water and 100% sodium hydroxide (lye) which will break down the organic matter around the alkaloids. Then you gently stir in a strong but cleanly evaporating solvent like naptha or hexane. Let it sit and the solvent will rise to the top in a distinct layer which you pour out into an evaporating dish. You can either let it evaporate entirely and you'll have yellow impure and probably waxy DMT crystals which you can scrape up or you can only evaporate most of it and reduce the liquid down to about 2ml which you can then pour in a sealed jar and leave in the freezer on the coldest setting overnight. Beautiful snow-white crystals will precipitate out of the solvent and either form chunks on the surface or float around like a snowglobe. Filter, dry, perform another wash if you so please to increase purity and viola.
All right I'm tired of typing I need some breakfast.
Never tryed it but if i could get my hands on a bit forsure would be something interesting!
I've been interested in DMT for about six months and I think I am finally ready for it. I want to try one of the nontoxic extractions from dmt-nexus in the next week or so. I'm most interested in the spiritual aspects of DMT; specifically for removing subjectivity from conciousness, any ideas about this FMB?
Well most times during a DMT breakthrough you retain a fairly strong sense of perspective and know what is you and what is that which is around you. This is one of the elements that contribute to the experience feeling so inexplicably real.
Perhaps you could further clarify what it is you meant by 'removing subjectivity from consciousness'? If you're looking for complete ego dissolution then I find a nice fat dose of LSD is more useful than smoking/vaporizing DMT.
From what I gather, I'm pretty sure an ayahuasca experience is more of what you're looking for. You should look into some brewing techniques rather than extraction teks. Happy travels :D
i hope no one is using these great tools to have fun. These are very deep spiritual substances that are meant for soul searching. I used to puff dmt a lot but now it has told me not to smoke it anymore, when i enter it lets me know i am not wanted anymore. I have blasted off more than 100 times and seen things that i couldnt being to explain. Make sure you are ready, its one hell of a ride.
Removing subjectivity from consciousness is a bit odd to explain over text but I'll try: Since everyone has their subjective views at life (subjective experience, no two people can live the same life) no one person could possibly figure out all of religion/spirituality on their own, because they can only experience so much, and they could only experience things from their perspective, which keeps people from wholly understanding one another; but there are techniques out there (yoga, meditation, psychedelics, could be tons more) to help remove our own subjectivity by a certain means of ego death (still not exactly the term I'm looking for). This is the most awkward to explain part: Removing subjectivity would remove ego, as well as perspective; which would allow one to experience everything, since they are no longer bound by that subjectivity that separates us all, including ultimate understanding. Whatever that ultimate understanding is, I have no idea, but I plan on spending my life finding out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superfluous
All of this started to materialize slowly in my mind after a big (15 gram) mushroom trip about three months ago, and I'm only just starting to put together many of the ideas that came to me during that state.
Ayahuasca has always been something that interested me, but I'd much rather try DMT by itself before ayahuasca.
While I do agree that a large LSD dose would be ideal for what I'm trying to discover, I believe that there are many things we can learn from DMT, so I plan on working those out in time. I just live in a very bad area for acid, I haven't even seen any at all since after Rothbury, and even when I have gotten it in the past it has been in low quantities (rarely allowing me to be able to keep more than one tab for myself) and at very high prices (15-20 a hit average, 100 for 10 if I'm super lucky), but I still believe that DMT would be an immensely useful tool in my psychedelic exploration until I can both get a lot, and afford a lot of acid.
Hey guys, im really interested in dmt and have been reading and watching everything i can find on it. i just bought the book DMT: the spirit molecule, and this stuff just sounds more mind blowing than anything else! Ive never tried acid, mainly because its hard to find. I smoke ganja daily. Ive done shrooms once, it was amazing...really intense scary at first but then just pure bliss. But i got extremely down after, the next day i just felt empty and alone in a way that ive never felt. I have been dealing with severe depression most of my life. obviously cannibis helps tremendously. But im thinking about giving DMT a shot, im just wondering if it could worsen my depression. I know just about everyone has an amazing experience with their dmt trip, but does anyone know how it affects people with severe depression?
Dont do a bunch of it or habitually at all but i think a few dmt trips might give you a different perspective on your life and it sounds like thats what you need. I think if you already medicate your depression with buds it couldn't hurt too much just dont overdo it.
I am not the most knowledgeable person on this subject. (Correct me if I am wrong) I believe that If you have serious problems with serotonin levels in your body then DMT might not be the best thing. I have learned that when taking hallucinogens such as mushrooms when I am feeling depressed or when I have had a bad day is not the best thing to do. It can bring out the worst of those feelings. As for DMT I am not sure, but I do believe that it might not be the best thing along with depression.
I also have had severe depression for the majority of my life (later turned into type 2 bipolar) due to many deaths in the family as well as people I am close to. When I tried DMT the day after my trip I did feel a little more depressed than I usually did. And I did feel "empty" in a way. Also I remember feeling alone and "Numb".
I have found a way to control what I feel pretty well through meditation, art, friends and family. I wish you the best of luck. And I would try and find out how DMT affects serotonin levels.
I always stick by a few rules for doing hallucinogens/psychedelics:
1. If you anything has happened that day that you regret don't do them.
2. If you are feeling down don't do them.
3. If you are hesitating about it or are not sure about it then don't do them.
4. If you have not experienced the three above this then GO FOR IT.
(More or less)
DMT is not like LSD/Mushrooms as much in that sense BigManNew, DMT is usually so quick acting when smoked that you dont really have time to freak out about anything cause you are gone. its a short experience overall so by the time you are back you should be grounded enough to hold it together IMO. I mean it might not be the best thing to do if you are depressed, but if you go in with the right intentions then it could be wonderful for you. Ask the DMT a question, it will answer.
Ah ok, I was thinking more about the after effects that It could have with someone with higher or lower serotonin levels than normal
I have been experimenting with dmt for about six months so far and i absolutly love it. I have seen people who have never tripped before take a breakthrough dose and come back with a smile on their face. something i have not heard anybody on here say but almost everyone i have given a dose to says its the most comfortable beautiful feeling ever and they were not scared at all. most people were wanting to trip again before the hour or so of tolerance was even up. honestly for treating depression i think it would work wonders, just trip with the purpose of being a happier more positive person. the body buzz and chill feeling it leaves you with after the trip are nothing like a hangover or comedown from other tryptamines, its euphoric and beautiful.
The one thing i can say about dmt is dont be afraid. it sounds kinda scary and it is really intense, but oh my god is it awesome. if your a real tripper take a big smoked dose on the peak of another psycadelic, its a whole different ball game, lasts way longer and is not as jarring because your already tripping.
side note: N N dmt is way colorful and visual and comes on really really fast.
5 MeO dmt is (in my opinion) alot more peaceful and your not overcome by the visuals, therefore are more able to integrate the experience. also 5meo is more potent by weight so you can have a "harder trip" with the amount of smoke being inhaled.
I have had my most beautifully spiritual experiences with 5meo but the most enjoyable with N-N on the peak of acid and molly(if your a psyconaut you must try this combo, its epic beyond what i can describe)
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Originally Posted by beardedhippie
this guy knows whats up^^^
but, the only thing i disagree with you about is the 5-meo. Me and my friends do not smoke this anymore. I had tried it in the past and i have tried "jungle spice" too and i will only smoke the clear/white shard now. I find 5meo VERY dark and sinister in comparison to normal n-nDMT, and also far far far less colorful/intense visually.
IMO
5meo is a bit more physical feeling
It really depends on you personally which one would make you feel more "comfortable and peaceful"
Some people enjoy the body load more and other the visual and the mental affects.
Thats why they are all out there for you to learn with
thanks bigman. Im actually having my serotonin/thyroid/hormone/blood... tested. still waiting on the results. Im looking for any chemical imbalance because i can't take prescription antidepressants. My body has rejected all the ones ive tried and the last one gave me a fucking peptic ulcer in the left side of my stomach! all of them worsened my depression significantly, so much for ssris. So once i find out where my serotonin level is, im going to try dmt for the first time. I completely agree that mood and settings effect your trip significantly. the horror stories usually result from a bad setting, nervousness, no knowledge on the substance, and propaganda, along with closed minded people. Im a firm believer in natural remedies. ganja fixes everything, and shrooms changed the way i look at the world. anywaysQuote:
Originally Posted by BigManNew
What is a good dosage for your first dmt trip? From what ive read i think N N DMT is what i want, but where do you guys get it? or do you just extract it yourself.
All i have to say glassmonkey is that i was very intimidated and nervous about DMT up until it took me out of this world, i think it would be very hard to have a bad trip, but thats just me.
I got given mine out of nowhere in a parking lot at a festival. I don't know the specific amount you should take for your first time. But try to take 3 hits, if you can't make it to the third that is normal. Also I am damn sure someone already posted this link in this thread, but I will post it again in case you had not read the entire thread.
http://dmt-nexus.com/
I highly recommend exploring this website, and read as much as you can for knowledge about DMT.
one third of a tenth of a gram should be sufficient for a dose.
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50mg to blast off IMO
I just smoked DMT for the first time about 45 minutes ago, just a pinch to test the waters of a point I just got, and words cannot truly describe the beauty of what I experienced. I'm incredibly excited for when I smoke most of the rest of it later tonight with my girlfriend (also and experienced psychonaut), I cannot wait to see what beauty a truly open third eye has in store for me.
congrats!!!
it truly is a wonderful thing.
its kindof like you feel like shouting EUREKA!
Glad you could experience it!
wow so in the past week ive had 3 dmt sessions (previously had only smoked twice before, both breakthroughs)
tonight was by far the craziest
i started with a small hit just to get things going
few minutes later, took another to try and dig a little deeper....nothing, not enough
so i load up some more and take a little bit bigger of a hit....woooopps to big!!! breaking through as i lay back
lay on the ground with my eyes closed, head moving side to side and seeing all these jungle vines criss-crossing in front of me, with an ever changing foreign alphabet strewn in between the vines
then i felt like i was buried 10 feet underground (or underwater??) and i had some mystical fairies "watering" me on all sides as if i was a plant. then out of no where, this VERY disturbing old man looking gnome presence came in and walked a circle around me. i was very scared for a second, but he left. (first time i ever seen some "gnome" on dmt, and he was tall! not short)
i came out of this state completely bewildered. my cat came over and i played with him for a little bit. so crazy interacting with an animal while on dmt. he seemed like a little tiger baby! very ferocious, lol.
so then i thought it would be a good idea to smoke the remainder of the resin that was in the pipe. i just wanted a little blast to see some patterns and leave the session on a good note.
well i took too big of a hit again (anticipating that i would need a larger hit due to tolerance) and this time i was immediately greeted with a WALL. now i couldnt see anything but i was hit with an incredible presence of the same watering ladies. and they were telling me to go away and how ridiculously naive i was trying to reach the same space again. i could NOT stop thinking how badly i wanted the trip to be over now.
then i went into one of the most analytical stages of my entire life. i thought to myself "im gonna give the rest of this away so someone else can experience it (and so i dont have to have any more weird trips)"
then i just got to thinking about money. and how people sell dmt, lsd, mushrooms when really these drugs are all about expanding your conscienceness. i suddenly could not IMAGINE paying for any psychadelics, and i couldnt stop thinking about the kid I bought the dmt off of.
then i started thinking why do any of us like money? it is the driving force of humanity. i almost come to the conclusion that the reason humans have evolved beyond other animals was the invention of currency and thus the resulting battle. (still thinking on this one)
i dont think im going to smoke anymore for quite some time. my previous 2 trips were spaced a year apart, and these 3 sessions in one week has really hung me out to dry so to speak.
another weird thing is
the first two trips, were totally hindu in feel, and sparked a curiosity in hinduism. on my first trip, my atman litterally merged with brahman, and i for the first time understood the term "one"
(sorry if my terms are off its been a while since i studied up)
but these last three trips, have felt totally aztec/mayan in nature. what with the vines, and weird south american chanting i heard....makes me wonder if my dmt was extracted from plants from different parts of the world :D
I know where you are coming from with the money thing, why not just abandon it and use hard honest work as a currency so we have one less thing to compete or fight about.
I wondered what it would be like if my cat would've been there, i think that would've made my trip amazing.
he luckily walked over to me as i was coming down. i think during the plateu i probably would have not been able to tell it was my cat and thought it was some crazy creature haha
shatterwulf, after that post i was hoping to see a thoughtful sig.
keep it up! along ur mental travels, a good idea i think, is to write a book about such experiences. peace darkcloud
I actually ended up writing a trip report for the truly incredible experence I had that night, I'll post it up here; writing it out also really helped me contemplate what exactly had happened, and I'm still not sure what it all meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by zxzDarkCloudzxz
The times I've given are in the minutes:seconds formats and are my best guesses for when everything happened, my perception of time was destroyed while tripping.
As for the environment I was in for the dose. I was sitting in my living room at home, on the couch with my girlfriend (also and experienced psychonaut) who had dosed a similar amount, probably a little less since her lung capacity is a bit smaller than myself, just a few minutes before myself, we were both sitting on opposite sides of the couch facing towards each other so we could stretch out our legs and relax. Most of the lights in my house were off, with the exception of a lamp behind me (a neat 70s table/lamp combo I picked up at an estate sale) and some interior multicolored christmas lights strung above the doorway to the dining room (for the added festivities during the holidays, but we ended up keeping them up for psychedelics) that I was facing. On the TV we had playing this DVD I just recently bought called spotworks, it's mostly just trippy animation with light ambient/electronic, we had it set to show a loop of animations from the screensaver electric sheep, which just renders fractal flames.
+0:00: I load a small stemless bubbler with between 30-40mg of DMT on top of a small bed of some pretty nice no name hydro I picked up last week. I hold the lighter lit slightly above the bowl and inhale to start to vaporize the DMT, and after about half the hit, bring the lighter down to light the whole bowl. It takes me three hits I think until the dose starts to hit me; and the idea of holding the pipe, much less hitting it again, feels very out of the question.
+0:30: My eyes begin to vibrate as well as most everything inside my vision, the pipe, my coffee table, the television, and even inside my body all begin to vibrate with a seemingly same frequency.
+0:45: I feel the DMT really grab me, at this point, it feels like salvia, but many millions of times more beautiful, colors have become vivid beyond belief.
+1:00: I have a very hard time to accept everything that I am seeing as actual reality, even though DMT has me by the balls, I feel very apprehensive of everything; I feel that nothing could be this incredible, or this beautiful. I close my eyes for a moment and I see the most incredible visuals I've ever seen, fractals more intricate than I could ever imagine, colors I've never before experienced, brighter than I've ever seen.
+1:45: I open my eyes again. My fear and apprehension melts away with the beauty of what became the beginning of my peak. I look at the television and the fractals showing on the screen and they are of a brightness and color that I have never before experienced. Things are more colorful, vivid, and beautiful than I could ever describe.
+2:30: I look away from the television at my eyes are drawn to the brightness of the christmas lights in the dining room. They become brighter and brighter, until they seem to burst into flames of incredibly vivid and complex color. I cannot stand the intensity of their color and beauty any longer and I look away, closing my eyes putting my face sort of into the couch; and I immediately feel far away from my living room, in a place (I couldn't tell if it was enclosed or not, but it was incredibly large) covered in patterns so intricate I couldn't even describe.
+3:30: I see a face enter my field of vision, it appears to be some sort of chinese Buddha, or ancient eastern teacher. The face looks like it is made out of something like molten silver flecked with bright reds and greens, but many more times brighter than anything I've ever seen before. I cannot describe how, but it feels like the face is looking into or down onto me, like it's viewing me inside a box or container, but this does not bother me, because the face is looking at me with an expression on it's face of what feels like pure compassion, pure love, and pure acceptance. He looks like he is proud of me, and this brings feelings of joy inside my soul far greater than anything I could ever describe. I feel like I am in this place for between 30 minutes and an hour, it felt almost as if time had stopped, as if I was beyond time itself.
+4:30: I open my eyes and see my living room as I had once seen it, but my whole body is tingling, still feeling the reverberations of the vibration I had felt earlier. My brain feels relaxed, and I feel incredible, and most surprisingly, I feel very close to sober.
+6:00 I feel about 90% back to baseline, but much more relaxed than I began the evening. The only thing remaining from the trip is a slight tingling in my arms a legs, but it's a very relaxing feeling.
i just posted on my expirience it was quite wonderful.
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I heard Ayahuasca is the same as DMT but its healthier. Its in a tea form but it gives the same trip
When my friend tried he said its the same trip.
what ever happend to the full melt dry sift the backround image of this site is lit