I have a custom circ ac coming and can't imagine it'll move from my drawer much, jus with a couple of close friends, where as the chubby jus makes me as worried as my friends dealing with slides. The chub really is the perfect addition to any toro owner who doesn't want his shit broke. Like ya said. Anyways hit up ithacas or dank for one thy had one left a couple of months ago but havt checked up for obvious reasons.