Nice reinforced A/C's!!! i will definitely be scooping one of those!!!Originally Posted by DaNK
Clear Heads
Nice reinforced A/C's!!! i will definitely be scooping one of those!!!
Cloudy Heads
I have just purchased a 2010 7/13 reinforced perks and the new design of perks at the bottom (sorry for lack of glass term) I also had an "Old School," 7/13 Toro which just broke 10 days ago. 3 of the perks snapped off after I was getting up out of chair playing CoD and kicked it over, not a full kick but deff touched it with my foot. I heard the tube hit the ash catcher as it fell over. I heard the noise you dont want to hear and then looked at the damage.. was right 3 perks had snapped perfects off from where they were sealed.
Back to the goods...The new Toro is ill, kill, sick, phat, dope etc. the difference's are
1. The tube is Actually 18'' you might say WOW wtf but I bought one on here that was "almost 18'' and was 2 inches shorter than new one (wont be lighting beard on fire)
2. LESS DRAG = very nice (the 13 perks touch the bottom, so there are 13 less holes) Also the new design of perks at bottom are closed off at the ends, only 2 slits on each of 3 pushed in sections. (IMO I have not yet decided if I like the new design on the bottom vs. 7 arm's like my original) only had tube 3 days. Maybe a reinforced bottom section just like the top would work real well too, anyways I am real impressed with the way the tube hits, I would say so far it is nicer than last Toro 7/13.
3. The faceted mushroom on the top of my 13 section reinforced arms magnifies this simple section done by TORO but is the only one I have seen YET. Something about it looks cool as the water is splashing around the top section and this mushroom, diamondy thing stands through out it all. Call it what you want, I like it.
Bottom Line: *Rips are smoother*, Tube feels more comfortable in hand, Tube looks more new/fresh, reinforced perks hopefully means less broken tree perks
Only Negative thing I can say is that the toro ice pinch slide is not rec. for multiple people. Just for 1 pack and rip.
Pics to be up soon of my new 2010 reinforced 7/13 Toro
Last edited by 4avalon4; 02-08-2010 at 03:39 PM.
120u hash
^^^
I'm not sure if reinforced trees reduce drag as much as it reduces chug, which I believe is the opposite. It just forces the smoke through slits rather than large holes on the bottoms of the tree, which makes for more more consistent, well perc'ed hits. Reinforced all the way though for sure.
Also, the ice pinch is for snaps, it's pretty much the most perfect single hit there is. Not a negative IMO; to me personally social bowls out of bongs are usually a waste of time.
90u hash
Ehh the reinforced arms might reduce chug a little. But drag is going to increase with the reinforced arms. They are nice though. And you should NOT have a problem with un reinforced arms. If you hit your tube hard enough to where the arms fall off, then its your tubes time to die haha. Ive had my 7/13 for almost 2 years... No broken arms... and im also not gonna say i havent "tinked" it really really hard before Lol. so if your clumbsy, i recommend not even buying glass
Cloudy Heads
kudos on the new pickup.....but I have a quick question...was the Toro u broke ur first high end tube?
I ask b/c u broke it w/in (u said) like 3 days of owning it?
IMO Toro has questionable workmanship (JP claims to 'touch' each tube, but what does 'touch' mean anyway?), and for the $ u spent, u might have gotten a tube from a company that u r confident only 1 man made ur tube.......
but I digress, if you're clumsy and (heaven forbid!) something happens to your new Toro, i would suggest getting a 9m thick US tube and like a StoneGlassWorks showerhead diffy and a StoneGlassWorks circ a/c (as SGW circs stack bubbles like crazy...i own one and it STACKS compared to others i've seen)
anyway, good luck w/your glass man! enjoi it, u dropped the load on it!
Sovereignty,SGW,aK,aK/sarah,Freeek,Kennaroo,Blade,Lurch,elHefe,Mer,Morga n,Lodi,Lostin,SSFGlukewilson/WS,RooR,ZachP,MGW
Amber Heads
Illadelphs with razor thin bottoms are a product of questionable workmanship. Toros, on the other hand, set the standard (along with SG, of course) for great glass in a lot of people's minds. Whether JP touched my tube or not, as long as its up to snuff by him I think I'll sleep easy...
What part of a Toro do you consider questionable?
Hubo un vez, un gran rey que tenia muchas tierras un castillo y tambien un amor...
Cloudy Heads
i've just seen alot of Toros w/broken arms (yes I know LOTS of people don't care for their tubes as they should....i believe 4avalon4 said he 'kicked' his toro over, meaning it was on the ground...FAIL....EPIC FAIL...the ground is NOT a place for your tube)
I've ripped some killer Toro/toro collab tubes, but I put my $ into SG, or re-enforced tubes (i know 4avalon4 got a NEW enforced Toro tube, and I HOPE that the SAD threads w/broken trees are not as frequent)
Sovereignty,SGW,aK,aK/sarah,Freeek,Kennaroo,Blade,Lurch,elHefe,Mer,Morga n,Lodi,Lostin,SSFGlukewilson/WS,RooR,ZachP,MGW
Amber Heads
Sounds like more user error than JP's problem. I've smashed my fair share of glass, and never did I say, "well, that thing was made like shit, I only dropped it once!" People need to be extra careful, and take a few steps to ensure their glass lasts as long as karmically possible.
1. No glass on the floor. PERIOD. In my smoke room, there is a certain table that I trust enough to set all my tubes on. Why would I risk it by setting it near everyones clumsy foot?
2. If its not in use, put it back. Having 6 bongs out around the room is like setting up a very fragile obstacle course. If the only tube out is the one you are hitting, its easier to keep track of it and ensure its safety.
3. If they break it, they buy it, but if they don't have the cash to cover it, they ain't hitting it unless I'm helping. "I'll hold, I'll light, you just stand there, inhale, and try not to break anything..."
Back to JP's work, I guess: I've never seen a toro spontaneously shatter, but I have heard every single broken tree story start with, "Well, I dropped/kicked/nudged etc...." It is definitely awesome that the toro camp started reinforcing the trees, for the customers sake. If anything, thats a sign of his good workmanship.
Hubo un vez, un gran rey que tenia muchas tierras un castillo y tambien un amor...
90u hash
And what is all this talk " i see so many toros with broken arms!". Every toro ive seen with broken arms has either been dropped, or knocked over. And they were either all posted on GC or by some newbies on other forums including this one, who cant take care of their glass. Dude people buy lw inline/8 arms all the time? zobs? Toro? Old Sg style 8 arms? Itza glass? they all use unreinforced arms! Seems like everyone just hatin on toro again lol.
Their arms dont break any easier then other artists arms. And Ive never had a problem... Speaking of broken arms, do you guys not remeber the 6 in 1?... I beleive i owned it multiple times, and held the attachments/ arms in my hands multiple times.... Including dinking them around on the joint a few times trying to get the attachments out/in....
The arms are protected by the outer body of the tube. In order to break the arms, you gotta hit it HARD. Like i said a zillion times. Never ever ever had a problem with unreinforced arms. And neither has annnnyyyoooneeee else who takes care of there glass... Do i break arms? Does anyone else on the forums who takes very very good care of theyre tubes break arms? For instance glassaholic? Thebreadwinner? Fatcobra? etc etc etc etc....
Im not trying to speak for anyone, but everyone who seems to take awesome care of theyre glass, doesnt show us many breaks... Hmmmm kinda shows us its you being clumbsy not the tubes welds...
Last edited by Basack; 02-09-2010 at 08:31 PM.
Cloudy Heads
satisfied owner of a spotless toro that gets heavily used everyday, not a scratch on it. couldnt be happier with it.
Last edited by retti borosaurus; 02-10-2010 at 03:00 PM.
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