2011

[old school]

I control the system on and off , I hit them with different amounts depending on the weather and how much i've recently watered them and all that...on a heavy day I'm giving them about 35 gallons on a lighter day like 15? The emitter hose IS bad ass.. I do not have an injector on this garden. I haven't used anything but water but am about to hit them 1 time with 6 gallons of Age Old Grow in 2000 gallons of water. My water pH is good. The average last year got fucked up because I had 16 plants that essentially were failures last year. Never plant mother plants! I lost 1 individual last year.

Whats your take on why not ? Do you feel a clone is more robust and branchy and will yield more ? I plant all from seed no clones. I am willing to give it a try next year though. Whats the largest yield from one plant. What was the breed ? Do you have any in pre-flower yet ?What do you do different to the ladies to prepare for flower mode. Nutes and such for flowering.
I really like sharing ideas with one another. Its easy to ask ole kief what works for him,. 300 gallon smartpots,clones Peace OLDSCHOOL

[kiefcake]

I did not do anything from seed this year simply because I did not get them started in time. I also don't know how I feel about having an undetermined finished product out there sitting in such a large investment (300 gallons of Pro Mix HP, #4 grade perlite, amendments, water system) I like the uniformity of clones. I am going to do a big seed run this winter and find plants I think might do well out door based on various indoor trials in multiple grow rooms this winter and do those plus the Old Betsy, Afwreck / Reefs Cherry Thai , and D.O.G..I also am sure clones grow more vigorously than a mother plant put outside would do. The younger the plant the more aggressive it is growing, as they get older they have had more opportunities for disease, pest, becoming root bound etc., all of which can be recovered from but it is never the same. Out door even if you have supplemental lights like in my garden you only have so much Spring and Summer time to veg...You can not just over veg like indoor to cure any problem and just bud when you want...August rolls around and it's time to bud..Period..So if you spent most the summer recovering then going in to the fall you won't have as much biomass going in to bud as you might if you just had them tear from the beginning. My biggest lesson growing out doors is to have the right timing..if you do not have the right timing for your grow you will not maximize potential of your space...

[old school]

I also am sure clones grow more vigorously than a mother plant put outside would do. The younger the plant the more aggressive it is growing, as they get older they have had more opportunities for disease, pest, becoming root bound etc., all of which can be recovered from but it is never the same. Out door even if you have supplemental lights like in my garden you only have so much Spring and Summer time to veg...You can not just over veg like indoor to cure any problem and just bud when you want...August rolls around and it's time to bud..Period..So if you spent most the summer recovering then going in to the fall you won't have as much biomass going in to bud as you might if you just had them tear from the beginning. My biggest lesson growing out doors is to have the right timing..if you do not have the right timing for your grow you will not maximize potential of your space...

So if you take clones are they not the same "age " as the mother ? Maybe the growing tips would be different. I really like talking with you kief I think one always has to tune and adjust his technique as need be.I have great success with large "seed based " plants but I can never seem to achieve my goals . My plants get huge but 5-6 pounds average is out of reach it seems.I have noticed that I have some plants that go in late and are a younger plant seem to outgrow the large "pot based " plants.Do you top or anything like that ? The timing comment was right on ! well put.You have hit the nail on the head my friend ! I will post some pics up so you can see my gig again. Oldschool

[kiefcake]

So if you take clones are they not the same "age " as the mother ? Maybe the growing tips would be different. I really like talking with you kief I think one always has to tune and adjust his technique as need be.I have great success with large "seed based " plants but I can never seem to achieve my goals . My plants get huge but 5-6 pounds average is out of reach it seems.I have noticed that I have some plants that go in late and are a younger plant seem to outgrow the large "pot based " plants.Do you top or anything like that ? The timing comment was right on ! well put.You have hit the nail on the head my friend ! I will post some pics up so you can see my gig again. Oldschool

Hey bro I believe when you take clones off of a healthy mother you are establishing a new plant with a new biological clock that has not had all the things that happened to its mother happen to it. A fresh start. I know for a fact that a fresh clone put in to a green house then taken out door with the right timing will be bigger than any mother plant put out side ever could be. The key to the large 5+ plants is the size of the container, keeping them disease free, getting at least 8 hours of direct sun in the fall, 10-12 is better. and the genetics. A thin leaf growth pattern with broad leaf branching and a mix between the density of the two yields the largest plants. The 300 gallon containers I'm using now are much too small to support a plant the size I am going to end up with. I am now beginning to lay down biologicals that will help to keep my root system healthy because I am slowly but surely running out of soil. Next year I will have 750 gallon containers and the same genetics with a little better time table and infrastructure for my climate No I don't top but I do pull them out sideways through hortonova trellis net to increase the # of cola sites and open up the inside of the plant to developing