Please read this!!!!

[Chi-Town]

Dont ya love the certain people ignoring those pesky facts(ie, tools and a sketchbook were stolen).

[DaNK]

Humans are a fierce species. They see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and listen to whatever they want to listen too. I am quit sure JP didnt come on these forums and expect no criticism. Everyone on here has expectations out of life. I am sure not many go through life without them. I realize that some people are actually useless on this planet, but most of all of us all have an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. In closing, I am sure JP's pride and sense of being were hurt in all of this. This is not just about an apprentice.

Hope it all works out JP!!

[TheNew]

Dont ya love the certain people ignoring those pesky facts(ie, tools and a sketchbook were stolen).

Or the fact that toro said things were stolen and then decided that no, they weren't stolen. lmao, the only facts are that toro is accusing joe of something and none of us know what the truth is.

edit: why is this trash thread a sticky? let it die when it dies, it's got enough attention to be up top while it matters. don't hang it on the sticky cross forever

[Basack]

I dont see much resemblense in itzas work and your work. Besides the bubs... Thats the only thing. Everything else is to general (fixed 8s) to be copying. And why do you wait til now to tell us?..Having problems with him...

[bubba]

first off alot of you misse dthe pint i think..

its not the tubes that made anyoen mad its the blatant kncokoffs and stelaing of tools and the designs jp made himself...

as far as hops gettign props hes gotten mor eprops on inlines than any glassblower ive ever scene thats come up with sometihng...(though deserved)

my two scents is h2h will nevewr carry itza

[ToRo Head]

O and I see headyglass is about to put Itza up online for sale.

I just emailed them and told them what I thought about that and I encourage everyone to do the same. Supporting the theives is not any better than being one yourself. And if you support the ones who support the theives, youre not much better.
I will no longer support headyglass either until they take down the Itza.

O and ^ theyre as good as china glass because like china glass, they are deceiving bastards. I dont like deceitfulness, its the cousin of stealing. And like I said, I despise those who steal, and I love the glass game(I dont have a high end tube? ahahaha is that why I got the rarest production RooR ever posted up in the glass market for sale ?)

Taking others ideas is fine with me, stealing others tools and notebook after they were treating you like family is not cool and not right.

JP told us the situation so that we would know, we all have the right to say fuck Itza!!

"is that why I got the rarest production RooR ever posted up in the glass market for sale!"

i remember reading this by a member who got banned like 2 weeks ago!

thats it zoger or something close to that or glass enthusiast!

[ToRo Head]

I want to hear what joe has to say about this! but at the end of the day if he is being accused of what he did their has to be some truth to it!

and as of the competition part lets get serious hear! Toro would not be going after itza if that was the case. it would be SG! cause the only company out their in the usa that can honestly say is competiion to toro toobs is sg plain and simple! so im pretty sure thats def not the case!

[phx36]

The man runs a fucking shop. Chill the hell out.

[Basack]

first off alot of you misse dthe pint i think..

its not the tubes that made anyoen mad its the blatant kncokoffs and stelaing of tools and the designs jp made himself...

as far as hops gettign props hes gotten mor eprops on inlines than any glassblower ive ever scene thats come up with sometihng...(though deserved)

my two scents is h2h will nevewr carry itza

Its not the tube but its the designs??? The tubes dont look the same? So how could they be the same design? THe only thing they make is a fixed 8 in tubes (not including bubs obviously). And toro doesnt even make many fixed 8's and when they do they look nothing like itzas. Im just saying, i talked to joe before and he told me about learning how to do fixed downstems from jp. But idk where the proof is of "stealing" something that belonged to you jp...

[cheesebox]

Did you miss all their sickness? ofcourse Toro is reasonably aware of itza as a STRONG competitor, the product is damn fine. If some nozzle didnt delete the itza thread, I can probably show you a post where your licking their sac on some piece or another. though SG is blowing up right now its true.

I want to hear what joe has to say about this! but at the end of the day if he is being accused of what he did their has to be some truth to it!

and as of the competition part lets get serious hear! Toro would not be going after itza if that was the case. it would be SG! cause the only company out their in the usa that can honestly say is competiion to toro toobs is sg plain and simple! so im pretty sure thats def not the case!