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Seriously, it's not that big of a deal (on the broad spectrum).
A more sound argument is that it is simply 100% organic.
Many people are into keeping away from artificial agents, and people devoted to bubble are part of that.
Now please, close this thread.
This is proof of the contaminants in BUTANE, not BHO. My quote was taken out of context in that my point was that NO ONE HAS EVER SCIENTIFICALLY ANALYZED A PIECE OF BHO OR BHO SMOKE. You can read about what exists in butane, and what exists in cannabis, and then you can speculate as to what molecules bond to what and what contaminants stay in the oil throughout the process. But you can not say "I have scientifically analyzed BHO and BHO SMOKE through ______ scientific process(es) and these are the substances that it is made up of." So there is not one person out there who can conclusively say that they know what substances exist in BHO.
Actually this really didn't prove a thing except what Vector Butane is made up of. There is no follow-up information about the chemicals, just what chemicals are there. There is no info in here with regards to butane's interaction with cannabis and what happens chemically. Where is the proof? Which one of these chemicals is unable to evaporate? which one of these chemicals possess the property that makes it bond to the organics in cannabis oil? All I'm asking for is proof and people keep posting the same exerpt from MSDS. Im sure the MSDS hasn't tested the effects of butane on cannabis and vise versa in a labratory. But SOMEONE out there CAN and it will lay all this speculation to rest, even mine (because IM NOT SAYING THAT BHO HAS NO CONTAMINANTS IN IT, Im merely asking for proof that it does, maybe from an experiment conducted DIRECTLY ON A PIECE OF BHO.)Quote:
Originally Posted by lepstadder
and why is this BHO thread still alive on the bubble forums? throw out the cans and buy some bags boys...or go to another forums IMO if you want to stand up for butane extraction so much, because this is NOT a tane friendly enviroment.
LOLOL
wow, just wow
Haha Im just havin fun guys don't take anything I say seriously. haha
all I can say is that using water and ice is definitely the best way to go, i had not even heard that it is possible to make bubblehash using butane. it seems as though it would not be very safe...
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Originally Posted by BigManNew
Bubblehash is the product of water/ice method. The term for solvent(butane) extracts is hash oil.
Bubblehash is the term for the product of ice/water extraction, but.... Its only hash oil if you make it from hash. People mistakenly call it that because of it's semi-solid form. (the H stands for honey, not hash) The term for solvent extracts is oil, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hieronymus Bosch
Hash is unbroken trich heads (and some contaminant, plant matter ect)gathered by dry sifting, ice & water extraction, or even hand rub, untouched by chemical solvents.
A nice crossover product that is sort of in the middle is rosin. If you rub some dryish hash on a hot pyrex plate, it leaves behind a bit of an oily residue (rosin) on the pyrex that can be scraped up and smoked in a similar manner to a solid oil, having used zero solvents. I haven't tried this myself yet, but its a technique I learned about from Hash_bean420. I think there may even be a post in these very forums on it.
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Originally Posted by YukonBikerGuy
Thanks for the clarification.
If anyone has a Mass spectrometer, I will gladly exhale b.h.o. smoke into it. In the name of science, of course.
I've always heard BHO isn't good but i went on trying it once or twice ( please, don't say you haven't ever tried BHO) it got me curious so i tried it..... but didn't seem to like the feeling nor the taste im getting from it, and when i finally did my research i found all the bad negative about it.. and some secrets that butane company don't even want you to know the kind of chemical stuff they use..
PS.. water ice hash is the way to go..
its like having KOBE BEEF vs USDA (mad-cow) beef
KOBE BEEF GETTING MASSAGE..
USDA MAD-cow BEEF - just getting force fed.. :)
i really like how broad the color spectrum for bho is, its nice to sometimes have that multicolored bowl to take pictures of
hahaha only reason ive been smoking it recently
the high itself is no where near as good as that of bomb hash
and not interesting enough to even make a thread about imo:)
Interesting thread with lots of information. I'd like to thank everyone that spreads their knowledge to these forums.
what are these secrets youve found now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master.Kuush
Well last time i checked an msds on vector butane it is non toxic..
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/but...r_Gas_MSDS.pdf
BOILING POINT: 31.1 Degree Fahrenheit
Health Hazards:
Inhalation: 1% vapor concentration may produce anesthetic effects. Non-toxic, but may displace oxygen causing asphyxiation.
The next question is, are we even inhaling butane after purging for 30 minutes and popping bubbles with hot water and heating the oil well above 31 degrees ? If so, how much non toxic butane are we inhaling? definetly not enough to displace oxygen to the brain thats forsure... You breath some carbon dioxide in on the daily, but if you were in a room boxed with taht you would die from the same thing.... Asphyxiation, because of no oxygen. Bho can does not have enough butane in it do harm you. If anything a lighter has wayyy more and can do more damage, although you will most likely never see any side effects from usuing a lighter... same goes with the erllz..
dab on...
Edit: if you make your erllzz with ronson thats your problem. USE VECTOR
again, anyone that thinks that processing thc with GAS and then smoking it is safe, you are fucking insane. you do not need to argue, you smoke butane.
dab on.... hahaha your an idiot
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Originally Posted by Evergreen
hahaha well said....bubble ftw!
Ha not a very scientifc response.... Thats like saying " anyone who thinks that smoking with SS screens and inhaling metallic fumes is safe, then your insane"..... but smoking from screens actually is not safe, and when inhaling combusted butane(or water vape if you all look up the product of combusted butane which is c02 and h20...) is not harmful...
This thread makes my stomach hurt
I hate to go all California superficial on you guys but forget about the science and cmon.. it's butane.... There's a certain kinda nomad humanistic connection between man and nature with bubble. Though it eliminates terpenes you get that enjoyment of tasting something natural,knowing where it came from
And then there's butane... Although it has not proven to have any harmful effects when smoked, it still has inhalant cautions, so why you'd let that near your product I have no idea. Ontop of that it's gotta be a little intriguing to taste new flavors that wouldn't normally come from some bud, and confuses me on how those new flavors aren't evidentially in someway harmful to the lungs.
And back to the pretentious cali post, this forum is fascinating because of the connection to
man n nature(n gettin blazed:) ) and the techniques that form that connection. I donno I find it as interestig as an painter talking about his painting and the minerals he used to
create them. Any forum about butane jus seems to me like the equivilant of having an art thread that consisted of only basic stencil pieces a 9 year old can do.
But to each their own, I'm sure most of
us hit that bho once in a while, but please(to you advocating bho) don't go makin pages bout it.
Because it jus ain't interesting.
`Its not like your inhaling butane from the can Lol. You spray it, 98% of the liquid butane evaporates, and then you heat or "purge" for another 30 minutes (or depending on size run) until you get even more out... Theres Much less butane in a 7 gram run on oil then a 1-2 flicks of your butane lighter... Oh no dont use a lighter! You dont need science! There is butane in the lighter! Bad!....Your logic doesnt make sense..
Man, you missed the whole point of me post. We've all made butane honey oil and we all know how much butane evaporates, now what we Dont understand is, like bman( ithink) said earlier is what the effect the chemicAls that make it taste and smell like that are on our lungs. But that a side, istill find my reasoning aboutn nature n whatever as a more viable pov than any science excuse.
I don't think we needa drag this on anymore, it's just a matter of point of views til OFFICIAL tests results are given. Smoke yer tane and well smoke our bubble... But for now were all on the same page as far as info is concerned and should stop talkin bout it n talk bout the bubble:)
By the way I do not use lighters hah
and my logic makes sense
Well all i can say.. is when i am up here... ( whistler/blackcomb)
I am happy to be hitting BUBBLE>.. certified by mother nature!!!!!
http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/galler...501024x768.JPG
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I am at one with your theory salad... nature/bubble connection.. good..
exposure to chemical solvents.... uhh.... yeah.. bad...
ok everyone on point....
clear domes away... melty hash can be made without the help of chemical solvents... thats all we're saying!!!!
Butane gives herb a bad name... dont give herb a bad name... its not helping our cause!!!!
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my two cents... take no offense to that.. i would love to see you all... puffing fullmelt dry sift and fullmelt bubble all day everyday.
I love my bubble and all natural sift and I've also tried BHO a couple times. Both were amazing and besides the health risks is there a yield difference for the production of both?
Gbk, you get a higher yield of killer bho over killa bub cuz it's only one grade instead how ever many bags you use.
That's why you burn the screens thru prior to using them and also why one uses beeline so they don't get any butane from a lighter + beeline is so much easier to use when vaping fmb..Quote:
Originally Posted by Basack
Not sure If someone mentioned this but I got it off icmag
one of bman quotes:I got my informatoion from INDRA> the guy who owns the patent on butane extraction and the guy who first put it up on erowid for all of you to learn>
He tells me that ALL butane has mercapetin in it. THat it is accumulative in the body, and affects the central nervous system ie the lungs, the kidneys, the liver, the heart.
Anyway i thought it was serious enough, to do a little research, but i couldnt find any research that said, there was a butane company that removes all mercapetin. ( apprently its the law)
jus thught mentioning that guys name as bman source would make our thoughts more viable
I just closed the tab and lost my post, so I'll keep it short.
Its not like anyone has died or have been burned from making butane.:rolleyes::eek::confused: Oh wait. Someone just had an explosion today (first link).
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/04/02/2650542/drug-lab.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3518.html
http://www.druglibrary.org/MedicalMj..._in_hash_o.htm
http://cbs5.com/local/San.Ramon.hash.2.440497.html
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...sion_not_a.php
The reality of it is are people are getting hurt ,and killed trying to obtain "Gods Gift to Man".
And when this happens its a fucking blemish on the mj community as a whole... it essentially stoops it to the same level as other homemade chemical concoctions...Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbaloaf
That is explosion hazards of the process of making it.. compeltely different then what we are discussing... thanks tho lulz
EYTHL MERCAPTAN is a liquid
Yes your all correct its a gas used to add warning scent to oderless gases. But yes, it does evaporate : )
BOILING POINT: 35°C
http://www.arkema-inc.com/plants/canada/msds/ORG901.pdf
Case solved.. Iso butane, N butane, And these so called "mercaptans" all evaporate at around the same temperature.... Bho purged good and made with vector = yyumms
This accident happened in Colorado with a medical marijuana user.Quote:
Originally Posted by toalex
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...sion_not_a.php
This link was posted previously and is a blemish in the medical community like you said. It also mentions the use of bubble bags to instead of butane. Some free advertising for Bubble Man!
Unlike California, the selling of hash oil is allowed in Colorado.
I believe with the growing number of patients and dispensary's in Colorado we will be hearing more about butane in the news due to injuries and health problems. You have people paying up to $40+ a gram for hash oil that was made in a PVC tubes, is poor purged, and this is suppose to be their medicine. Patients are paying $25 for .25 of "earwax". What a deal.
Then you got people paying $1,400 an ounce for buds dipped in honey oil. One smoke says, "it smokes rough". Wonder why?
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...0-an-ounce.php
Its all comes back to like Bman has said before, its the illusion of prohibition.
Keep it melty.:bong1:
lol and I'm paying 20g for fmb... tastes and smells like candy :pipe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbaloaf
nom nom nom
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/206...lmeltbubbl.jpg
the fuck you pick that up?
admit youve driven to every length of los angeles to get some good bubble
if its the mars og fm yer chill cuz im picking it up tomorrow
hehe I have spent a good bit looking up all the places that have bubbleQuote:
Originally Posted by salad931
but nope just drc :D it's a dif. batch of blackberry then the one (you got) they have atm tho
the batch right now needs to be slightly broken up to melt all the way thru, the first batch of bb I picked up from them I can just put a big ball of it in the middle of the screen and it'll all melt to a puddle.
btw they got some of that mars og in again I think :pipe:
haha yeah i checked that out, im g13haaaze btw on wt im tryna get my friend to run down while im up here in seattle, hope they have it by sunday if not. yeah the color of that bb isnt as impressive(not gonna make comments bout hash i havent smoked hah)
did you get to try that mars?
i never take weedtracker users rating on bubble haha
Haven't had a chance to yet.. but imo just from the pics it looks great, don't really have a need actually to buy anything for a bit heh. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by salad931