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Ive tried 3 strains 2 of which were outdoor and I wasn't really expecting to get the full melt out of those. But I just ran some whiteberry that came out of my indoor and the stuff wouldnt bubble. I cant believe it. I make ice hash from that strain and it bubbles, why not with the bubble box? Am I doing anything wrong? I got all my info from this site.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1263839702
sifting for full melt is much more of an art than making bubble...Its a learned technique...it helps a great deal if you can do your dry sifting in as a cold a temp you can get
So are you saying you cant just buy the bubble box and get full melt, that you have to be experienced in making it in the first place????
there's a technique...its defintly more of an art form....than a technique....if you have a strain that is a confirmed melter...keep trying...go into a walk in freezer(or outside if its freezing) and do a quick rub....lightly.....
dont expect that just cause you followed the instructions you'll get full melt. practice makes perfect. and perfection takes some care.
Im acctually not sure if this is a full melt strain. I run it through my four bag set and get some bubbley ice hash. I guess I assumed it would also make full melt dry sift. I still have a few more strains in my garden that I'll test out.Quote:
Originally Posted by fullmeltbubble
Even if you can fit your arms, bubblebox and stuff into your kitchen freezer it would help. Also do a quick sift first and pull the resin and check it. You can also sift more, but you can't really un-sift.
check my threads if you havent already (hopefully that helps).
also i dont use cold(not saying you guys are wrong just saying i sift at room temp) but ive noticed low humidity helps A LOT (bone dry bud is a must too).
you also must be patient when carding i recommend breaking it up across many days for the 70u dry sift. the yeild is incredibly low as well if your going for all heads. good luck. oh ya magnification helps as well to know when you can stop cleaning. OR you can always smoke it and just watch for melt to know haha. peace man.
Blue dream, white berry, jack herer. Still no full melt. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong or is it tough to find that particular strain that makes full melt sift? Still not using a jewelers loupe but I feel I compensate for that by crumbling dry frozen trim up onto the contaminate screen and gently sift for 2-3 minutes then back into the freezer and repeat. Then sift through the top 2 until there is a little pile on the 3rd screen to put on a bowl. All of my sift burns instead of melting.
Another question....Does it matter if trichome stalks are in your final product? Do they melt as well?
imo everyones opinion of gentle is different. try tapping the screen as apposed to agitating the material directly. go for a tiny ass yield, and fire it up to see if its what you're going for.
It's always been a personal goal of mine to extract simply just the heads. The times that I achieve this goal, the results are definitely far superior. However, still some trains simply don't melt, even if you just harvest the 'heads'.Quote:
Originally Posted by anhedonia
Making full melt dry sift is a much harder task that making FMCD bubble hash imo.
Keep up the hard work, someone's gotta do it.
I wonder why....Quote:
Originally Posted by anhedonia
As soon as you crumble your starting material, you are dooming yourself. This introduces fine particulate, the enemy of meltiness. Trim is also not first quality material to be starting with.
Try this: (In a walk in freezer if you can, with all materials and tools pre-frozen) Take a nicely trimmed and cured good sized bud with lots of crystals on it, put it on top of the first screen.... gently roll it from 1 side to the other a few times.... remove bud... get fresh bud, roll it gently back and forth a few times.... keep repeating... GENTLY rolling.. not bashing, shaking, scraping, rubbing, carding or whatever... Then you will have the best chance of obtaining the product you seek.
Yes, the yield will be much lower than if you crush or crumble your starting material, but the purity will also be way up. In the concentrate game, the more pure your final product, the less yield you get. If you go for quantity, then you sacrifice quality, period.
Yes purists (ie Bubbleman, Sunkman Sam, ond others of similar taste) consider capitulate stalks contaminant as the essential oils and thc are contained in the trichome heads. Most folks would be happy to have just heads and stalks and no other contaminants, which should hopefully still be pretty melty in the bowl.
Hope this helps some,
YBG
Thanks for the info. And when I say trim I'll tell you what Im talking about. I cut all debris leaf off, all water leaves and tips of larger bud leaves that dont have resin on the ends. All that doess is prepare the bud to be trimmed for hash. Then all buds that wont fill a bowl when dry are tossed in the pile. I then put the trim in an herb dryer (no heat) for a few days until good enough to make hash.
ive been having decent results both lightly cutting up (joint consistency) OR grinding(pulverizing) buds to flour consistency in a coffee bean grinder then running it through the screens on the screen set. it takes longer for me to clean when its a flour consistency as i have to push alot more through the bottom screen while the trichomes catch (i feel its a more advanced technique but could possibly yield more)
where as if i cut it rough like with scissors i find i still get a decent yeild and can clean it up faster as well as the bottom collection plate is decent smoke too.
as far as i have noticed trichome stalks DO NOT melt. maybe some strains they do but yet to find this.
glad your still working hard to achieve the full melt kief you will be happily rewarded when you do as you will get faster and better at it quite quickly.
also i would recommend going bone dry bud/resin(cured/dried for a month at least from harvest so the resin isnt sticky) over cold. i prefer for my own dry extraction to get the bud so dry it crumbles if you squish it slightly and resin feels dusty rather than sticky almost like a gritty fine dust on your fingers after chopping some bud up rather than sticky.
hope that helps keep us updated :) i know you can make the melty.
oh ya i havent used cold hardly at all but have fine results without. i used cold once in 2006 i think with a tumbler and never did it again cause it created a mess with condensation when i pulled the dry trim from the freezer. a walk in freezer/fridge should avoid this. i have yet to try this. but personally if your freezing it then pulling it into a warm environment for tumbling or sifting i wouldnt do that. if you want a direct suggestion to try.
-i would first get bud and resin BONE dry like ultra super duper dry crumbly dry(no sticky)
-i would then scissor/crumble it to joint consistency(not powder) over top screen
-card back and forth lightly keep lifting screen checking for green tinge to the gold powder(if going for yeild)
-then card/flick the resin across the screen and lay it flat surface area along the screen like buttering toast then scrape into a pile again and repeat slowly on the 107 and 70 to avoid melting or clumping on the card edge.
-and most importantly START MAGNIFYING! like 200x magnify or more.
nice to see your still stoked on getting full melt kief :) its well worth it in my opinion :) keep us updated if you need more help or if you get your technique down show us the melt. peace.
Search through Kif It Kunta 's posts, he gets into a lot of the finer details about dry sifting.
Here is just one:
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Originally Posted by Kif it Kunta
Hey, thanks for the replies! I'll be making more with some blue dream and afgoo at the first of may. So I'll try some of these new suggestions. Bought a 30x jewelers loupe today. I have a little jar of some jack herer hash that I never sifted over the 70u, but when that gets here I'll dump that pile onto the 70u and clean it with the proper magnification. I really doubt that stuff melts though.
And thanks again for the help.
you might wanna go even higher magnification but hopefully that loupe will help.
i know ive said it a bunch but the usb microscopes are the way to go hehe you dont have to squint or look into a small area you can put it full screen on your computer and look at it on your computer screen full size its really easy and you can keep it perma focused kinda if you go for super close ups where you lay it flat against the table and i just use a small peice of white paper for the slide and do a small pinch under it quickly check put it back keep sifting etc works super good and fast. just an idea :) heres the microscope i use if your interested. i just used google and it came up with UK but im sure you can find that model on amazon locally :) good luck and i hope your new strains will have nice sized trichomes that catch easy on the 70u :)
-when you get down to the 70u pile it all into a pile and get a slip of white paper nice and clean. scoop up a small small amount that would fit under the microscope. look at this under the microscope (or loupe if it works) and if you use a usb one take a picture or memorize and note the head:contaminate ratio. put the kief back on the 70u to clean more.
-use the same method(technique) your trying to evaluate and clean on the 70u then after 5-10 minutes of gentle carding using the SAME method to eliminate variables. scoop a small amount up again with clean white paper again check under scope the head:contaminate ratio is it better or worse? it should most likely be more heads and less contaminate.
-repeat this till clean(if ratio improves each time magnified) OR change technique till it cleans it faster etc.
i also should add that when im cleaning the kief on the 70u ive noticed lately without magnifying that its usually done when the pile stops shrinking or starts shrinking very slowly. it has taken me many cleanings to be aware of the rate at which kief contaminate ie capitate stalks etc fall through(i still magnify). but the pile basically stops shrinking(shrinks real slowly) when the heads are left. hopefully soon ill make a breakthrough and be speed cleaning the sift scalable to large amounts haha :) once i do ill let you all know how if i get it super fast :) peace :)
heres 200x vs 50x or so. to give you an idea of why i like the usb :)
200x
http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/galler...efdrysift3.jpg
50x
http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/galler...efdrysift6.jpg
Very nice shots, and good luck getting your stuff to bubble!
well fuck meh doobeh. been tryin to pick up one of those cameras, but wasnt sure how good the magnification/ lense was.
gotta get on that now
real nice pictures
n of course dry sift
p.s(may be a bit off topic, sorry to stray from anhedonias post) but i dont see myself running any dry sift in the near future, i can barely afford bubble bags. the only reason it is appealing because of terpene conservation. is there a way to acheive the same flavor...or close maybe with bubble bags?
edit: btw feel free to pm me if you dont wanna follow me straying lead, thanks
not sure if oyu meant bbags for water or dry sifting ive personally never used bbags for dry but im sure it would work just use the appropirate microns 73 90 and 120 and stretch it over a plate or bowl that has a bit of area to collect would prolly work.
and if you meant water... i find some strains retain the flavor more through water washing. i believe this is from alcohol/fat soluble terpenes in higher abundance in specific strains where as most strains have many water soluble terpenes which just get rinsed down the drain :(
if you dont wanna do dry sift runs just make a TINY bit(using a bubblebag or screen of some sort) to add to the bubble OR find strains which carry the majority of the flavors through the water process(this will be tougher and more time consuming than just adding a bit of dry sift but prolly more worth it in long run).
i find dry sift a more complex stone... but if you wanna go only water hash and no dry sift your gonna have to strain hunt for something that holds its flavor through the water. oh ya i wanted to add. does anyone think the rain on outdoor herb lowers its terpenes ? could the rain wash away like water hash? or do live trichomes behave diff with water than harvested? just a thought would appreciate others input :) hope that answers your question salad
Eah thanks! When do you suggest to add the sief? While drying? An yes I meant with bags:)
Another question. If you have sift that clogs your screens, does that mean theres heads that will melt? Just curious.
I'll be planting some atomic shiva in a few days. Doc chronic gave me a dispatch notice friday morning and they were in my mailbox monday afternoon. Just waiting to get some new t5's and a tent. Hoping this shiva will give me the quality glands I want.
Perhaps your material isn't dry enough. Peace GS
Wow, nice shots. I have been looking at them recently and reading reviews but nice to see pics of what I will be using it for. I am in the same boat, looking to make a better sifted hash.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobiehuffer
do it in a walk in freezer LOL
I have been working in my garage, about 40 degrees at night. Raining now so I am on hold but really waiting on the digital scope so I can record my findings and post some pics of my results. I know what I have done so far has made a tremendous difference in taste and potency.
what a buzz-kill
Uhh, wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by fullmeltbubble
Why on earth do people INSIST that making dry sift is like making bubble hash??
STOP IT. Frozen trim/buds = broken/fragged stalks. Jeebus you guys are nooBs.
For the love of god. I thought this site was providing decent information to people on the interwebz!?!?!
Bubbleman what's up brah??
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonBikerGuy
Lol. What, you going to crumble your buds up to get them tiny trichs in there, genius?
Good lord, just stop talking. Trim is how most of the pro's are making this stuff.
Rolling buds over screens hahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahaha. Jesus.
Perhaps you would do better if you read the entire thread. I was telling someone not to crush thier material and contaminate thier product. You crush yer trim up first do you? Assclown. Fuck off with yer negativity. So busy hating, and bashing, but you dont want to be nice or share yourself? Troll.
(In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response)
Yup, thats you alright. Thanks for comming, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Buh-bye.
YBG
Good advice Jack. When trying for full melt sift,your first run is going to be your best run. Be gentle and don't overwork your material. I don't roll the buds with my whole hand,my technique is sort of a finger tap to lightly roll and dislodge the trich heads.
After processing a bud,remove your screen and look at the hash. Is it whitish/amber? If so,you're about as close to full melt as you can get with a simple sift,IMO. Keep at,with the same light pressure roll,checking your results often. The stuff should be whitish to amber,bubble and make you a one toke joke.
It might not be the "pure melt" but it's close enough that you won't care.
You said 'trim isn't the best material to use for dry sifting'...Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonBikerGuy
And you're wrong. So why are you giving people bad advice?
Trim, when done right, has a smaller chance of breaking up too small than buds do. The Trichs are on the leaves in heavy concentrations.. rolling buds is pointless, as you're not hardly going to yield anything, so why bother?
Lol.
I really like all the points you have made.
