Machine to sift trim

Hey guys I was wondering what the best machine, premade or fabricated by a friend you have come across that is the most efficient in creating keif from your trim?

One of my buddies had a decent amount and was wondering the best way to go about it. He had an idea to have three trays with gradually smaller screen sizes much like the bubble box idea, but a lot bigger and that vibrated/shook on its own. I don't know how feasible it would be, but it just seems like these tumblers cost way too much.

Thanks

You could start here. Peace GS

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/...read.php?t=146

ps. I use a 3x2 screen to sift material then clean the hash in my Bubblebox.

Thanks, I've already read most of the posts on here in the dry sift section tho. The tumblers covered in that post and it seems most forums are the pre made $500 + ones. what happened to the homemade stuff?

I say the Okief tumbler LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT one of the best gifts given ever!

You are easily pleased Jane!

I saw an Okief tumbler up close the other day, I wasn't impressed at all.

It's a cheap plastic storage container and the inside has depressions on the floor which make removing the kief difficult, so they supply a black plastic sheet with it! ...dumb and dumber

That soft Rubbermaid plastic is the wrong material for a tumbler, resin and plastic are not the ideal combination, it's thin and floppy, there are better choices out there like ABS plastic or wood.

The mesh cylinder is well made, but doesn't sit perfectly horizontal (therefore the need for rubber balls they supply with it to bounce around inside so the material doesn't pool on the low end!) The sides of the Rubbermain container are not vertical, so the cylinder that is connected to the motor doesn't sit horizontal, it sits on about 15 degrees??. Again, the container is wrong, they chose cheap cost over function.

The cylinder is attached only on one end and is not supported at the other end which probably puts strain on the thin plastic wall and the motor's drive shaft, that's just plain ol bad engineering and design.

The turning speed is good and the motor is quiet but the cylinder door has wing-nuts that would be best if were magnets instead

The motor box has U shaped wire to support it or the whole thing tips over, as the weight balance is wrong.....wrong, inefficient and ugly.

it's wrong in other areas too..etc etc, most which relate back to that cheap plastic container.

Okief started with a cheap plastic container that was wrong in about ten different ways but chose it cos it was cheap...and then tried to make it work with all the added on bits, when instead they should of spent an extra $10 on a better quality, thicker sided container with vertical walls and a flat floor and then they really would have an "o-k" tumbler

I've read how wonderful these okief tumblers were for years, I can't for the life of me understand why after seeing one in the flesh

edit : and the motor runs very hot.......the motor box housing doesn't just get warm, it's very hot to touch!

Well i have a prototype in effect right now.... check a video out here....


http://qik.com/video/2543562


the difference's so far.... ours are all wood.. will have a nicely hinged lid to access the tumbler part.> The screen will be a 120lpi or 140u and made of a stainless mesh.

The box will have a pull out drawer for a catch tray but also a pull out framed screen right above that for cleaning the sift.

However in this video i have linked... we let it run for almost 25 minutes ( after filming) and still got a fullmelt dry sift.

anyway hope you enjoy it guys.... okeif and pollinator watch out.... here comes the...


PS... help me name this thing guys... i can't come up with anything better than bubblesifter or trichomber


Bubble man

Call it the Gold Miner. Peace GS

The tumblers covered in that post and it seems most forums are the pre made $500 + ones. what happened to the homemade stuff?

yeah, where's all the homemade tumblers?


A very simple tumbler could be made fairly easily with just four flat screen frames joined together instead of making a more difficult circular shaped cylinder. So you would not need a jig saw, only a standard hand saw, plus a drill, a screwdriver and a few other tools....and instead of sourcing, buying and fitting a slow electric motor, wiring and an AC to DC converter etc you could rig a simple hand crank handle from a steel rod bent to shape or a wooden dowel with an L shaped metal "handle"

It would be very basic, but still it would work! and since would be hand operated, the mesh size would be better if it was not too fine for example 100 or 110 instead of 125 or 130 lines per inch mesh would be better or you would be slowly cranking the thing for ages! Art supplies or hobby shops often sell screen printing frames.

If you make the screen frames yourself, use tacks to hold the stretched mesh in place, Super glue works well to attach nylon mesh to wooden frames, then trim the overhang with a box cutter knife and a straight edge, Remove the tacks after it fully dries (20 minutes or so)..use staples to attach the metal meshes. Pine wood is a good choice for frame wood with 45 degree joints, use ply wood for the outer container or do what the commercial tumblers do and use a storage box.

DIY is not for everyone, but for those who have the know-how, the time, the inclination, a work shop and the right tools, making it yourself can be very satisfying..very much like the enjoyment you derive from growing your own herb.

Author of this post is Ocanabis - http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=9769

Hi Peeps

So this is my entery for a do it your self Hash Tumbler.To start with theirs a number of different ways u could do this but this is my version.You can make these any size you want.Mine would be a small version cause I don't get all that much trim from my harvest.I would average 2-4 zipps of leaf and or sml. pop corn buds.So with that being said the tub I chose is 15"Lx14"Wx11"H
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_019.jpg

So u need:
a Tub: 15"Lx14"Wx11"H
Wood:1/2"x12"x24"
(112"x12"x1/8" piece of aliminum or plasti(this is for the door)
(3) #10 x 1" metal bolts
(3) #10 Wing Nuts
(3) 24"x 1/4" Threaded Rod
(12) 1/4" nuts
(12) 1/4" washers
(3) 29-30" long Pipe Clamps
(1)Rotisery Motor with shaft from a BBQ
Silk Screen material
1" double sided tape
1/2" dbl. sided foam tape

For tools u need just the basics such as a Drill with bits,Jig Saw.Screw Drivers etc.Like I said its all basic tools that most people have.
Ok,so lets get started.
1st off,I'll take the 12"x24"x1/2" ply wood and mark my cicles for the 1 end pieces.I drew them out using a rotractor @ 9" circles.On one of those pieaces I marked an iner circle @ 5"
So now I grab my Jig Saw and cut the pieces out.The 1st piece u want to cut is the iner circle then the 2 outer circles
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_001.jpg
Wala,your 2 outer circles
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_003.jpg
Now we mark the holes for our 1/4" Threaded Rod.You want to be as close to the edge as possible.I marked it @ 5/16" in from the edge.This is to acomodate room for washers.Then I marked 3 spots equally spaced @ 7 & 1/8" apart. (X marks the spots).
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_004.jpg

Now I take my 2 circles and lay one on top of the other and drill (3)1/4" holes for the threaded rods.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_007.jpg

Next,I will cut out my lid.My inner circle was 5" so my acsess door is 6 & 3/4" round.I used a peace of whats called DiBond for my cover.Now that my door is cut I will center it on my end peace and mark and drill (3) 1/4" holes to attach the door with'
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_008.jpg

Now I took my end piece and my door and marked the center and drilled a 1/8" hole for reference as to where my shafts will go.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_010.jpg

for the front piece I counter sunk the 3 holes for the door on the INSIDE were the 3 #10x1" bolts
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_009.jpg

Ok,now we can start puting our drum together.
You will need your:
front and back circles
(3) Treaded Rods( I cut my rods to 14") with a hack saw
(12) 1/4" washers
(12) 1/4" nuts
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_012.jpg

I'll start by puting 1 nut on each end followed by 1 washer on each end.Now I will insert a rod into one of the pre drilled holes.Atach a washer then a 2nd nut on the out side or ech hole until all the rods,washer and nuts are on.Note(you don't need to do them up tight yet)
You want to make sure that the distance between the rods are all equally spaced before you snug them down like so
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_013.jpg

Now you can atach your door using the 1/4"x1" nuts and your 3 wing nuts like so
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_015.jpg

Here's what it should look like so far.....
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_014.jpg

Ok,now we move onto preping your tub.We have to find out where to drill holes for the motor shaft is going to end up at.If my end cicles r 9" round we want to have the Tumbler to sit at 1&1/2" - 2"s above the bottom of the tub.So if my circles r 9" then center is 4 1/2" so we need to drill a hole on each end of the tub at 6&1/2" - 7" up from the bottom of the tub and center like so.I used a 1/8" drill bit.
Here's one end
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_018.jpg

and here's the other end.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_017.jpg

Ok,now for the far en of the tumler I'm just going to use a long bolt for a shaft.I haven't dettermind the length of the bolt yet but I now I'm using one so here's what I did.
From the off cut of 1/2" x12"x24" ply woon I marked a 2"x2" block then drilled a 1/4" hole and then cut a grove out like so
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_020.jpg

Now I'm going to attach this to the inside of my tub using 3/16"x 3/4" bolts with 3 washers and nuts.I also counter sunk these 3 hole in the block of wood I'm using like this...
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_021.jpg

Here's the inside of the tub.Notice the bolts r flush with the piece of wood!
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_023.jpg

Here's the out side of the tub...(sorry it's a bit out of focus) but you get the idea right !
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_025.jpg

Now for the front of the tub.The shaft that comes with the Rotisier Motor for the BBQ is aprox. 5/16" square steel and around24" long.U will need tu cut off some of this cause it'll be to Loooong.So from one of the lenghts of rod I cut a piece to 8".You will need to cut this one more time yet but not untill u have sized up where you tumbler will sit inside the tub.You'll see what I mean in a minute.You'll notice the lock nut on the shaft.You'll need this to.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_039.jpg

So we know the shaft is 5/16" we want to drill a hole in the front side of the tub a bit larger for the shaft so I drilled it with a 3/8" drill bit
You remember we drilled earlier with a 1/8" bit.That was so we know where the center was gonna be right !
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_018.jpg

Ok,now we can attach the bracket for the motor.What I did was place the motor on the mounting bracket ,then I insert the rod.Now I'll put this against the tub so the shaft goes through the 3/8 hole we just drilled.Now I will mark the (4) holes for the mounting bracket like so....
Here's your mouting bracket
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_026.jpg

http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_029.jpg
So now I will mark and drill the holes like so
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_027.jpg

Now you can attack the mounting bracket with the hard ware provided with the BBQ motor.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_029.jpg

http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_028.jpg

http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_030.jpg

Ok,now we have to get our cover.What were about to do is drill the center hole a bit bigger then were gona grab a file and make that hole square to acomodate the shaft.Youll want to be care full filing cause you don't want to make the square hole to big cause then it'll be sloppy on the shaft.
Here's our squared off hole tada...
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_044.jpg
So now I got a thin piece of plastic 14+3/4"wide x 20" long and placed it like a half circle inside the tub.This will be your cach tray for your processed hash drippings.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_031.jpg

Ok now we have the motor/shaft assembly figured out,it's time to decide what size of bolt I need for the other end.I'll place the tumbler inside the tub with the shaft goin into the cover and I guessed I needed a 1/4" x 2" long bolt.
and here's what it looks like after I put the bolt on and inserted it into the tub again, ta da...
See how it nests into the 2" square block we cut earlier
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_043.jpg

And here's the motor asembly side.Notice I have the lock nut in place.That keeps the tumbler from rolling back and forth. Neet Huh
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_042.jpg

Ok,were all most done.You can put this off to the side for now and pull out your Tumbler.
Here were gona finish off the tumbler by adding the screen etc.
So now you'll need:
Your Tumbler
Silk Screen material
1" dbl. sided tape
1/2" dbl. sided foam tape
Hose clamps.

Ok,1st we want to find out how much silk screen material we need.For this I used my wife's sewing kit cloth ruler and measured the circumfres of one of the end disk pieces.I deturmined it was 29"s around.The distance from one end of the tumbler to the other side was 13" long.
So I cut a piece of Silk Screen at 15" W x30" long. See the pink orange roll beside the scissors?Thats your 1" dbl. sided tape.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_032.jpg

So now I take that tape and adheare it to the 15" side of the silk screen material like so..
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_033.jpg

Now you take your 1/2" foam tape and rap it around each disk on the tumbler. untill it meats then cut off the excess.(Sorry,I forgot to take a pic.)
Now were going to wrap the screen around our tumbler.
The best way to do this is put the tumbler on the floor and brace each end between your knees.Your gona peel back about an 1.5"s of the dbl.sided foam tape.This is where it gets a bit tricky.You want to stretch the silk screen around the tumbler so that it's tight not sagy.Thats why u brace it with your knees.The dbl. sided tape will hold it in place while you go all the way around the tumbler all the while pulling and stretching the screen material.Once you have gone all the way around You can peel back the 1" dbl. sided tape and press the over laped pieace together.
This is what it should look like when your done....
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_034.jpg
Now you can grab your hose clamp and you'll attach it over top of the screen and foam tape you have just attached Like you see in the pic bellow.
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_035.jpg

Also you'll notice the white strip going length wise between the Pipe clamps.That is a 1.5" one sided tape thay you put over the seem in the screen.You''l need it on the inside as well other wise your hash powder will stick to the dbl. sided tape of the seem.Make sense ?I hope so cause it's kinda hard to describe

Ok thats it your done.This project took me about 8 hrs to build and cost me about a $100.00 = or-.

So lets have a look at what we just built here.
Can I have a drum roll pleasehttp://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/ima...drumsplay6.gif Thank You
Their you have it, a home made Hash Tumbler
http://www.breedbay.co.uk/gallery/da...umbler_040.jpg

So I'd like to say in closing that all you need is just a bit of enginuity and
any one can make one of these things for them selves.I'll be around if any body has any Q's.If u need u can PM me and I'll respond a.s.a.p.

Next Up is processing some kif to test our new tumbler out.
So i'll be back with that little tute shortly.http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/ima...ies/speedy.gif
Till then
Later
Ocan.

Hey Bubbleman, I vote for the BubbleTumbler.

Other ideas: BubbleSifter? BubbleSoon? SimpleSifter? Sift-o-melt? Rotomelt or RotoSifter? RotoBubble? EZ-sifter? SiftyWood? BubbleSiftBox? The SturdySifter? Welcome to SifterWood? Sift-zilla? Sift-o-matic? Sift-o-round? SuperSifter? Trich-catcher? The Sifty-Trike? Sift Express? The Sift Center? The Trichome-Roto-Spa? (ok, I'm reaching now).......

The How-to on the homade job is great too btw, for those that wanna go that way. One thing that has always kept me from tumblers is the fact that they are based on a plastic box. There always seems to be issues over time with wear, and eventual loss of support from the plastic. I would also add a plastic cap for your end bolt, and possibly a plastic liner in your U-slot bolt holder to keep small wood bits from possibly contaminating your dry sift. Of course, there is the whole electrostatic issue with plastic, it makes the sift stick some. Your obvious craftsmanship shows in this how-to TheNewGuy, thanks for sharing.
YBG

P.S. How about the Rock Solid Bubble Tumbler? As I see it the wooden construction is one of the best features...... another 2 cents....

YouTube - Agricultural Pollen Extractor used in a...

Aqua Lab Tech

Thanks for posting that Aqua, I've never seen an APE before, it's got some good features,
are the sides made of glass or acrylic?

I wonder why they only offer 180 or 220 micron meshes, not 160 or 140 micron? I guess they are into producing maximum quantity.

I also wonder why they don't offer stainless steel meshes? as not everyone tumbles bud leaf only, lots of guys throw in ground up buds with stems which can poke holes in synthetic/nylon meshes (though, these meshes are tougher than they seem)

good one thenewguy!..and also to Ocanabis

that's going to help lots of DIY-ers

wow, very impressive macguyver

I just wanna make sure everyone knows that was ocanabis' project. it's the best diy tumbler design i've ever seen, so i figured i would post it here for others to see. all credit goes to him.

the only thing i would change would be to use a 120 micron screen in the tumbler

thenewguy.....here's a few Q's

what's the RPM of your tumbler?...what is the LPI (or the micron measurement) of the mesh you used?

you mentioned that you'd prefer to have used 120 micron, do youmean 120 lines per inch?

if not, then 120u is probably too fine, (depending on the cylinder speed, the type of strain, when it was harvested, how long it has been dried for and the duration of tumbling etc), a good all round mesh size range would be 135 ~ 155 micron (or 110 ~ 130 LPI) for most modern hybrids if quality rather than quantity was your aim...with a 120 micron mesh, it's possible that some resin heads would not pass through the mesh (at least initially)

not sure of the rpm, it's just a rotisserie bbq motor.

i have a 120 micron screen in my pollen box & i like the products i get from it. i've never been a fan of any of the larger screen products, even from bubble.

if you like 135-155 micron, by all means go for it. that's the beauty of building your own (options).

Keep in mind the 120u screen only lets things thru that are 119u and smaller... thus anything larger on your screen will not go thru....

many bubblebag fans can tell you that the 120u bubble is WELL WORTH KEEPING.

Even if you ran a seperate screen first of around the 140u size and collected those resins seperately they are still very much active and in Indica's often extremly melty heads.

Just my two cents... as i was discussing this with someone in chat the other day and they also didnt realize the 120u would hold back the 120u and up heads.... After all dry sifting in this way isnt like bubble hash making.. you are collecting what falls thru the screen. not collecting what falls on top of it.

peace

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Originally Posted by Bubbleman

.....and they also didnt realize the 120u would hold back the 120u and up heads.... After all dry sifting in this way isnt like bubble hash making.. you are collecting what falls thru the screen. not collecting what falls on top of it.

peace

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Good point, probably a fact missed by most people.

i've heard some folks talk about how they like the 120 from indicas, i guess i've just never tried one i liked b4.

i was talking with someone about making a 3 screen drum with a 90 & 73 to catch the fat melty heads, & drop the smaller ones with the broken heads & stems on the bottom collection tray.

seemed like a cool idea if we had built it. i have the design on paintbrush but i'd have to dig it up

Let's have a look at your design thenewguy, is it a system with 3 cylinders inside each other or one cylinder with finer flat screen meshes underneath?

either way, the problem when sifting or tumbling with fine meshes like the 70 micron is that all the resin heads under 70u do not freely "fall" or pass through with rotating or side to side sifting unless combined with for example actively carding the material to and fro across the top of the mesh. While that's not impossible to achieve in a machine with cylinders, it would be difficult to make it work well. The other problem with cylinders inside cylinders would that it would keep on resifting the same particles, so probably wouldn't work (as far as I can see??) unless the two outer cylinders only moved in a limited arc or swing, not 360 degree rotations.

Another way would be to have a rotating cylinder above and several shallow bowl shaped meshes underneath that use mechanized blades that move back and forth scraping against the mesh that "card" the kif across the finer meshes, perhaps in combination with vibration or shaking.

There's lots of methods for stripping all the resin heads from the material (long duration tumbling with open meshes, aggressive flat screening etc), and there's also several ways of achieving very high quality dry sift (foremost being Sam's secret method, then there's resifting with multi meshes and achieving several grades of quality, & other methods etc), but none that combines the both, namely stripping 100% of the plan't resin and achieving 100% bubbling quality.....that's the next step in dry sifting we can aim for! an automated dry sifter that does just that would be nice to have. Fill it up, press a button and an hour later the plant material is stripped of all it's goodness and all the resin that's been collected bubbles and domes.

thanks for the responses! haha even if took awhile :)

i can't seem to dig it up at the moment & i've been searching for a while now. yes, it was a drum inside a drum design. you have me rethinking that though. 2 flat screen on a frame & a sheet of glass below that would probably be easier to construct. then just card the material across each screen or make it detachable from the bottom of the machine & just shake it by hand like a pollen or wikka box after the drum is finished running.

Carding breaks up veg matter, contaminating your powder. Better to shake or something for less contaminent. Peace GS

i really like that you are coming out with a device that is less laborsome Bubbleman. Personally, I love pulling bags and shaking boxes. However, from a medicinal pov this could really help out a lot of people. I imagine for someone wheel chair bound it would be pretty hard to make bubble on your own. Even the bubble box could present some problems I assume. A machine that anyone could sit back and watch, I feel could really benefit the medical community.

Nice going Bubbleman. Keep on elevating!!!!

How about the "Kiefer Sutherland". Maybe you could even get him to endorse it.:pipe:

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/p...1207-thumb.jpg

Carding breaks up veg matter, contaminating your powder.

you are right, to some extent, especially when using screens ranging from 80 ~ 130 mesh (approx. 180 ~ 125 micron) ...but when cleaning kif over a 50 ~ 80 micron mesh (so the resin heads stay above the mesh and you want the plant matter to pass through the mesh) carding works well doing that, namely breaking up the bits of leaf and forcing the trichome stalks with it through the mesh holes leaving a higher percentage of resin heads. Shaking or vibration alone doesn't do that so well.


Better to shake or something for less contaminent. Peace GS

hitting, shaking, agitating, vibrating, carding, tapping, etc etc ...there's lots of ways that can be done gently or aggressively. Pick a method that works well for you.

That's a sick tumbler Bubbleman. When are you gonna have those done??

count me in!
Anyway to be notified when your tumbler hits the market?

The Unit : The Trichome Extraction Unit ... friend came up with this name the other day... am kinda liking it..
what do you guys think..

THE UNIT......


Hahahah the keifer sutherland.. dude thats hilarous... although i think keifer may be more into a rock tumbler than a sift tumbler...

The Unit should be out around xmas/newyears time...


glad everyone has been digging it...

Hey thenewguy one of the first things i ever told the company florawhirl was theMULTI TUMBLERS Screens.. however much like kief it kunta mentions.. the heads don't really free fall thru at those sizes as much as they need to be carded and seperated thru. I am stoked on adding a secondary screen above the catchplate and beneath the actual tumbler screen.> This will allow for people to clean the size heads they want.. also will offer different size tumbler screens.. 120u and even 70u.. with a catch screen of around 45u. These numbers may vary...

Coming soon.........


Bubble man

Just playin with ideas and thought about the Mind Candy Miner. Teehee. Peace GS

I like the Bubbledry tumbler, as a name or Bubbletumbler something like that.

Just thought stick with your way of naming things ie bubblebags, bubblenow so people will know right away its a bubbleman product

haven't tryed it.
http://www.aqualabtechnologies.com/m...actor-2-0.html

I saw a vid on youtube of that APE tumbler

What blew me away was the speed it rotates at!, it seems to spin around at about 3 or 4 times too fast than it should.

and the mesh is 180 micron which is about 80 or 90 lines per inch..in my opinion is way too open. 150 micron with a rotation RPM of 20 ~ 30 would be much better.