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    So many fucking fanboy rants and walls of text.

    I'd like to see both sides to be honest.
    Itza's slim/minimalist style was very refreshing to look at.
    Toro's work is just legendary in functionality and style.

    Hope to see this worked out between you two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickyfingers View Post
    Chi_Town I am not sure why you care so much or why you hopped on the band wagon so fast but I think you need to calm the fuck down and take a toke before you start hacking at your keyboard like a moron. You have done nothing but fuel this negatively and point fingers when you have'nt heard both sides of the story, and who the hell values the opinion of a BHO fan on these forums anyways.

    I agree with you 100%. But he does have an extremely rare RooR so he is probably right and we should all just agree with him.

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    I'm surprised this thread remained open for so long.

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    Hardly anyone knows JP on a personnel level. He may be an awesome guy to be friend with an enjoy a beer with but he may not be a great guy to work for. who knows? no one knows. Though the relentless bashing of one forum by another just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
    Last edited by EEbrew; 09-15-2009 at 08:49 PM.

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    Yawbus, its cool man, everything is gonna be alright. Remember, this is the internet and a cannabis forum. Stealing is one thing, taking opinions personal, well thats just retarded.

    I wish I had time to take everybodys opinions so personal though.

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    Chi if you really want to continue this bring it in a private message or chat.. im sure you heard it all, but everyone uses everyones designs when producing glass for us heads.

    Every inline is based off Hop's original.. and how many people make inlines today? the list goes on and on and on..

    Toro took illadelphs "circulator" or by its original name "donut perc" and basically just used it in a different part of the tube with a larger upstem for less drag.. but the design of it is the bell or donut shaped slitted perc that illadelph designed first..

    EHLE is an almost exact CHEAPER replica of roor, down to their pierced hole diffy's and pillbottle a/c's..

    do i need to go on anymore about how everyone copies everyone and this is really no different at all.

    all this is doing is making sure the itza 8/8 dub bub that i pick up is going to cost me a WHOLE lot less then it would have a month ago, because everyone is tarnishing his newly founded reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCALLSTARR View Post

    all this is doing is making sure the itza 8/8 dub bub that i pick up is going to cost me a WHOLE lot less then it would have a month ago, because everyone is tarnishing his newly founded reputation.

    QFT

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAK View Post
    We have gone out of our way to give props when props are due--

    as for the circulator, JP does not go on the internet much--when he does, it's to look at his own work--when JP made his first circulator, when he showed me, I said to him, that's awesome, but I feel like I saw that somewhere before-I went and searched the internet and went so far as to call Madcity to ask him if he'd seen it and who did it--he can vouche for me on this--I did find illys thread eventually, but in the end consciously chose not to say anything since JP had absolutely no influence from illadelph when he made it since he had no idea that illadelph had done them, but was more thinking of PHx's dome perc with a tweak--

    sometimes there are flukes where artists are thinking of the same thing at the same time-

    --Luca and Illadelph get nothing but respect from us--we got the priviledge of meeting him in Vegas at a private dinner, turns out that he and JP went to the same high school, along with Snic--JP was just a little older--Illadelph is one of the few companies out there that has publically given props to JP, something we never forget! Just last week, I was contacted by them about where we got something that they liked which we use on our tubes, and without hesitation, I gave this information freely--

    there are so many that think they "Know" what's up, but it is all just assumption--

    Do you all really know how other artists feel when their work is being copied everywhere?
    I talk to and am friends with many great artists out there, everyone has there own way of dealing with it--some go into major depressions over this stuff--their wives/girlfiends and I often talk about how we need a support group to handle our men when they get ripped off--just yesterday, I heard one artist's response to "imitation is the greatest form of flattery", by responding,"well then I'm getting the shit flattered out of me everywhere I look!"

    did you all know that before we started to produce trees and even put our own tweek on them that I contacted Mike from Dememtia to ask his permission? His reply was, go for it because they too check out JP's work for inspiration and have nothing but respect--

    I have open relationships with a lot of my competition--even started talking to Richard himself--that is how true and honest business people can do it and hopefully the riff raff will learn from us strong leaders and now old schoolers that this is really how it should be done--

    I also invite Itza Joe to give his side of the story--obviously there are two sides to every story, this is just my truth though--I know that a few days ago, before all of this, the bubbleman himself asked what his story was, but even 4 days later there was no response--

    Much respect,
    Wendy

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    No he didnt miss all that, he just chooses to ignore that because it completely kills any argument he has.

    But shit, imagine ordering a sick piece from a new company only to find out that the company is now hated by everyone because a thief started it! Its instinct to defend em I suppose.

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    This is absolutely insane and childish. If your tools were stolen then do the right thing and GO to the LAW ENFORCEMENT. Joe leaving for good without letting JP or WAK know may be disrespectful but completely negligible.

    Just because JOE at ITZA Glass is using the skill's and techniques he learned under JP's apprenticeship is no reason to get heart broken.

    For whichever reason unknown to us JOE decided to start his own glass blowing company, did you expect him to forget everything you taught him and go in other ways? Obviously he's built on your idea's and IMO is crafting high quality glass than TORO at a fraction of the cost.

    Like you said your an artist with an ego, get over it, or patent all your ideas so you can keep it.

    As well it seems you are out to ruin his name for improving on techniques you taught him, no thats even more disrespectful then him "copying" your ideas.
    Last edited by thekingCREOLE; 09-15-2009 at 09:45 PM.

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